"You've come a long way,baby"...but you've still got a long way to go.

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Wow, thanks for writing this. That first Martin quote seriously hit home. I've always considered myself to be a feminist, and my main issue recently has more to do with men and the whole concept of "masculinity" and how society requires men to constantly prove that they are manly and therefore different than women. Makes me sick.
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This is awesome; you rock.

However, I have a minor critique (which may actually be full support) about your final statement in wanting believe in your beauty and fighting for that level of self-recognition in other women. It's the patriarchal system we live in which reduces our value to appearances and whether we conform to a certain standard of the same. I carry a lot of guilt/shame/issues around that, so while I see and personally experience and completely agree with the value of transgressively reinscribing the marker of "beauty" upon oneself, I don't know if it goes far enough.

It's like deconstruction -- the first step is to recognize the binary system which privileges one term/category over the other (their beauty standards versus mine). The second step is to invert that binary (my beauty standards versus theirs), and the third is to move beyond the two categories into a free play of signifiers or an experience/being-ness is that is beyond the need for those interdependent and mutually exclusive categories (everyone is beautiful).

[Here's were I go off on a radical feminist tangent] It's not enough that I value myself in the ways the system (and my internalization of it) has taught me that I lack worth, esteem. I have the privilege of working on my body and image, you know? It's not enough for me, and it's not enough for me to take my differing values up as the basis for my fight. My personal vision, or what looks like freedom and self-actualization to me, is never going to broad enough to encompass the full and varied flowering of the possibility of the feminist project.

I rage because, by whatever marker, I and every women will always be judged short of the mark, inadequate, wrong, dirty, evil, etc, by a system that valorizes and values men only, and seeks ever to maintain their dominance in society. In such a system, the abuse, debasement, rape, othering, estrangement, objectification, commodification, disenfrancisement, oppression, etc, is always permitted because it happens to the category of people deemed inferior by those who wield power with an iron fist through the socialized legitimization of violence.

I want to tear that whole system down. Of course, I don't know how, so I start with the revolution in me :) Which comes back to: you're beautiful. Believe it. Every last syllable.
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"33 is the average age to get married; 26 is the average age to have a baby." Sounds like an awful lot of single mothers. Nothing morally wrong with that... but a huge burden for trying to raise a child and a career at the same time. Plus, I suspect a lot of that imbalance is the result of women trying to supplement love - trying to convince themselves that bad relationships are good ones, that a baby will make everything better, or simply believing that a baby will provide them with unconditional love - only to learn that what they really get is unconditional need & responsibility.

As far as the perfectionist issues... I hear ya and I'm right there with you. I am HYPER afraid of disappointing people, of disapproval, of failing, and of rejection. And it constantly amazes me how many people don't see that.

I genuinely feel that I HAVE to be perfect under almost all circumstances. No matter how good something goes (say, this past weekend), my good memories are largely overwhelmed by some minor, passing, thing that I did wrong (talking so loud/high that a friend pointed it out and told me to stop).

Logically, I know I'm not perfect - not close. But, emotionally, if I do something "wrong" - unless I've "pre-okayed" it with myself (it's okay to suck at going upside down on the pole - but only because that will make someone else feel good for not being the worst) - I feel like no one will ever love me again.

So I bitch. And I rant. And I am upset that society has left me F'd up in the head. Sure, it's nothing compared to dealing with Darfur or Iraq or a million other horrible circumstances. But it's still my own personal hell.

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Was just reading this again and remembered Sheila Kelley's story about having to cover her arms at a church in Italy, while men walked around in tanks tops, because showing her arms were considered offensive.

And the time she let her 4 yr old run around a public pool topless and got complaints because her 4 YEAR OLD daughter's shirtless body was considered offensive. And her daughter heard and questioned why the boys could be shirtless but she couldn't. (props to Sheila for telling her it was because she was so beautiful that it was just too much for some people to accept).

As long as women's breasts are considered OBSCENE (especially the nipples... oh gawd, the HORROR!!) or too sexual for men to be expected not to rape us... so long as we have to keep them covered at all times lest the world come to a screetching halt... so long as no such restrictions exist for men... we've got a long way to go!!

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Struck a cord, for sure. I always look forward to your voice on these issues. I feel less alone in my opinions. I don't know if you've seen this, but I'll link you to my bloggity blog about it Swine, Prophylactics, and Sex

I'd love to hear your commentary.
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I'll be in your fighting corner any day. Thanks for putting your thoughts into words. I'd have a hard time putting it all into words, but I agree with you!
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Hey Cate,

Thank you for sharing your passion about feminism.

Also, you give great links!

Feminist women tend to run in my family--back to Canadian Suffrage in the first part of the last century with my mother's mother out fighting the good fight.

I try to keep up with 21st Century feminism as I (we) had high hopes that by now women would have achieved parity with men.

Both socially and economically we have not.

Until that day comes we have no choice but stay in the battle.

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I don't know what to say at the mo, but I love the way you write, and I wish I could write like you. I suppose it comes with age and experience.
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P.S. Off the topic (completely) - GREAT HEADER DESIGN!
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:::applause::: Thank you! As a western women, just because we aren't subjected to something so obvious as wearing a burka doesn't mean that we aren't faced with social constraints and that's why I think the burka struck such a chord with us. We understand being held to a standard (unattainable Barbie) and the consequences of when you fall short. You explore those consequences so well above.

I believe it was a quote I read that went something like, "The well trained dog performs even when the trainer is absent." What it meant to me was... I internalized the implied "standard" and guilt or mentally beating myself up is my self imposed punishment when I "don't measure up". I've moved away from this past but it's still with me sometimes, lurking back there. I've come this far, but still have a way to go. It's nice to know I'm not alone in these ideas.

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Standing ovation, CupCate. I cannot do justice to what you have put here except to thank you, as one privileged, white, married feminist woman to the next; one imperfectly beautiful, strong woman to the next.

What many of these women at the top miss is that gender discrimination in our society may not involve FGM or forced wardrobes, but it is still present, still invidious, though more covert. As they say, injustice anywhere is an affront to justice everywhere. It warrants fighting and raging and we all deserve to be as free as any man. I refuse to take "good enough" as my bottom line.

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CupCate, you wrote: "Maybe my views on feminism and women are warped."

I don't think so. They're simply your views. How you see the world -- right now, from where you are, from the circumstances that life finds you in.

My views aren't radically different from yours -- they just have a different texture. I suspect we agree about most things; I suspect we give money to the same organizations. :)

So, in no particular order, here are my views on feminism and women...

A feminist knows that if she can define "feminism" then she is very likely part of the upper middle class Western world. Therefore, by definition, talking about "feminism" is like screaming into an echo chamber -- the same audience, the same sentiments, the same emotion all the way back to Seneca Falls in 1848 (and no doubt earlier!).

So I'm going to talk about a new kind of feminist -- one for the 21st century.

A 21st century feminist doesn't complain about the state of womankind -- she complains about the state of humanity instead.

A 21st century feminist doesn't complain about the institution of marriage -- she complains that the freedom to marry "whoever we want" is still not legal in America (and most other countries).

A 21st century feminist honors the fact that we *have* come a long way -- and she knows that we have so much farther to go.

A 21st century feminist knows that if a woman says she is happy or unhappy, then she is. Even if the feminist can not imagine having the same emotion in the same situation, to not believe another woman -- to not honor the other woman's experience -- is to cause all women harm.

A 21st century feminist knows that we are responsible for creating our present moment. If that present moment is distorted through the lens of the media, through the lens of our peers, or through the lens of our own imaginings then we have to stop and change that lens for ourselves.

A 21st century feminist still seeks equality -- in the classroom, in the bedroom, at the doctor's office, in the courtroom, in the boardroom, and in the streets. And she does so alongside all other minority groups on this vast planet of ours.

A 21st century feminist knows feminism is important -- and ALWAYS will be.

So, yes, that's my take on the topic. Personally, I'm glad you're fierce about feminism and women. It makes the conversation more interesting, and it makes me think harder about what I believe and why.

I think I'll go right another check to NOW, right now! :)

With respect,
poissonpen
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well done - hear hear.

We do have a long way to go. When women are denied birth control because the doctor is opposed to it...long way to go. When teenaged girls feel the need to "act dumb and look cute" to attract boys we have a long way to go. When womens pay is much less than a male..long way to go. When a woman has never been the president of the United States- long way to go. and the list goes on.

I don't think those women you referred to are in the norm at all. What they said and how they really feel might be a different story. I for one don't buy it.

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i fucking love you, lady!

i was tearing up by the last paragraph. because you are so damn right. about all of it. every woman and girl i know from the most empowered to the most gaping vagina has this driving need to be perfect--or at least her idea of what perfect should be. i'm no different. i have this idea in my head of the kind of woman i want to be and if i screw up or fall short or if i feel i'm lacking i beat myself up about it. i consider myself to be pretty self-actualized and a pretty hardcore feminist, but i still have depression issues and weight issues (and, lord, do i have food issues) as do most of the women i know. we say that we love ourselves, but we rarely ever really mean it.

i have a condition called Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, one of the side effects of which is high levels of testosterone, which causes abnormal hair growth. so, basically i've had to shave my face like a guy since 9th grade. i've been undergoing laser treatment for the past few years so that i don't really have to shave anymore, but all those years of feeling disgusting and masculine has made me really acutely aware of just how much our femininity is constantly called into question and judged.

there's no denying that we have come a long way as women, but i think that being aware of the gains we've made only more clearly defines how much farther we still have to go. we should be inspired to keep on fighting the good fight instead of just settling for what we've got because it's better than what we had.

i'm glad there are women like you out there helping to lead the charge. so fucking rant on, sister!


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Thank you ladies so, so much. I was really nervous to post this...simply because I know there aren't that many people on Vox (in the grand scheme of things) who are willing to discuss this stuff, or call themselves a feminist. I'm thrilled that I have found a group of women that are willing to discuss this with me...

I cannot tell you how touched I am that y'all read through this entire thing (I'm a bit long-winded) and that everyone is so supportive. I love it!!! It's such a change from the arguments and unwillingness to listen I get from people "in real life".

PoissonPen:


A 21st century feminist knows that if a woman says she is happy or unhappy, then she is. Even if the feminist can not imagine having the same emotion in the same situation, to not believe another woman -- to not honor the other woman's experience -- is to cause all women harm.

That is so, so true, and at the same time, the hardest thing to do. Beautifully said!!

Inward Eye
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I rage because, by whatever marker, I and every women will always be judged short of the mark, inadequate, wrong, dirty, evil, etc, by a system that valorizes and values men only, and seeks ever to maintain their dominance in society.
Absolutely! I so enjoy your blog and your views on things. I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for the critique, because YES, it was supportive. Thank you! :)

LeendaDLL-

You know I adore you. And yes. Nipples are dirty, dirty things. COVER THEM UP.

Rosina Rubylips:

I think you're probably one of my new favorite people of all time. Yes. The depression, food issues....no matter how "smart" we think we are, they're there. And then we feel guilty because we should "know better". Ugh. It's just a vicious cycle...Especially when we beat ourselves up for the "imperfections" that we can't necessarily control or get rid of. Thank you so much for your comment.

Electric Firefly-

I heart you. On such a deep level it's scary. Thank you so much for your constant support. xx

Sher, Zombiebite, Lindajoy, Habit47, Ruthypants, Marsviolet, Sugabelly, Caprica, Ellen, Sage Eyes, Alli....
(Anyone I missed!)

Thank you so so much!!!!!

MUAH!
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Yes yes yes. And a couple of observations..

1. Do our perfectionist syndrome issues start with our mothers? Or with our fathers? Can this generation of women (those who have chosen to reproduce) work in their homes with their sons and daughters to make real change happen in the world? I've opted out of reproduction, so will have to find another way to fight. But so much of it starts with what we do as children to meet our parents' approval... how much mess do mothers make when they DON'T alter their baggage and help their daughters to a better future?

2. Context - I've been dieting this year, and have lost 50 pounds so far. I was sick of burying who I am behind a wall of fat that inhibited me every day, and protected me from having to be real. So that's going away.. but the reason I bring it up is to say how differently people treat the now-thinner me. Basically, men are nicer (even when not being sexual), and women are meaner. Strange men now hold the elevator doors for me, that kind of thing. When in my former fat state, I wasn't the fat girl, I was simply invisible, like a tree. Women on the other hand, even in my professional life, are less helpful, less supportive, less likely to include me in things, more likely to challenge me in meetings.. It's been very interesting so far..
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it's nice to know I don't have to feel alone or crazy for feeling this way
good article indeed.that has just given me hope to live longer and not to give up after what happened to poor me.
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carol smith
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Great post. I just linked it on another feminist blog.
http://maedchenmannschaft.net/gegen-den-besserverdienenden-feminismus/#comment-9246

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