"You've come a long way,baby"...but you've still got a long way to go.
The common argument I hear against "ranty", argumentative, bitchy feminists who rage about things such as "The Patriarchy", is that they're basically complaining about nothing. Or rather, they don't have the right to complain about "those sorts of things" because we "really don't have it that bad".
We don't have it "that bad" because we're not living in Africa, Darfur, or the Middle East.
We don't have it that bad because we're a bunch of white/privileged/upper-middle class/rich/American women, living in Western Civilizations.
We're not made to wear Burqas. We are not arrested in nightclubs for wearing a shirt that reveals our back. We don't acid thrown on us like the women we see on Oprah. We're not those women.
We can go to college. We can marry whoever we want. We can work wherever we want. We can get a divorce. We can go on the pill. We can make our own money, and wear what we want...
So we should just shut the fuck up, and stop crying into our Manolos. It's NOT THAT BAD.
I'm sorry, but this argument is fucked. Royally.
Basically, this argument just says to women, "Well, you're not struck by poverty and horrible living conditions, and you're not being raped in the jungle, so really, what the hell have you got to complain about?"
I am by no means saying that I don't have it "better" than the women in Africa and The Middle East who don't have nearly as many freedoms as I do. I think some of their living conditions and daily experiences are horrific and incredibly saddening. And at the same time I feel bad for even saying that I find their way of life "horrific" because really, some of the things we, as Western Women, find "horrific" are traditions, religions, and a heavy part of another woman's culture.
But, just how politically I don't think it's necessarily best for the Western Civilizations to bomb around telling everyone that their governments should look just like ours and function just like ours...I don't think its necessarily right to tell all other women that their religion is completely fucked, and that their lives should look just like ours.
We're all very aware of the fact that as Americans or Canadians or Europeans, our lives are freer, safer, and cleaner than the women in less fortunate situations. We know that.
But I don't think we should just shut up and love where we are because it's not as bad as elsewhere. That's like telling a woman who's husband tells her she's a fat, stupid bitch every night, that she shouldn't really complain, because at least he doesn't hit her.
When it's bad, it's bad. I don't are what level of bad you're at, once you've entered the threshold of "bad", you're in there. Sadness is sadness, no matter how deep.
Therefore, as women in the more "privileged countries", just because we've been told we can be whoever we want to be, and do whatever we want to do...doesn't exactly mean that things are peachy fucking keen.
So please don't tell me that "We've never had it so good!" and that "You've come a long way, baby!"
Try telling that to the MILLIONS of women at this very moment, shoving their delicately manicured fingers down their throats and vomiting up their lunch.
When we clearly have an entire society built on women constantly having to improve themselves, slim down, shape up, "get a beach gorgeous bod", slice themselves open, or starve themselves skeletal, forgive me if I don't really feel like MY GOD, we have come SUCH A LONG WAY!
I mean, I can vote, why should I still have a problem!
It makes me angry, that's why I rant. And I can't help but wonder if the people who are telling us to shut up and to enjoy the freedoms that we've got, are the same people that benefit from us keeping quiet.
The women who want us to shut up because "it's not that bad" benefit from being where they are: on top. They've fought and clawed their way to the top. They've battled the patriarchy and are sitting pretty. And what's that? A bunch of younger women complaining that it's not good enough? Saying that the women on top aren't high enough, and are busy clawing their way to your post - if not higher? My god! Why WOULDN'T they want us to shut up? We might prove them wrong, be better, perhaps even more liberated.
I think the most prevelant example of why things are a lot worse than they seem is in Courtney E Martin's book, Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters. She writes about how the women heard "you have to do everything" when our parent's told us "you can do anything". We are perfectionists, and really, I can't think of a single women I know who isn't.
They may not call themselves that, as the word "perfectionist" sounds almost as dirty as "feminist", but the things that are inside of me -never feeling good enough, desperate need for approval, fear of failing, self-hate, etc- manifest themselves in my daily life in the form of control and perfectionism.
The same traits, even if its just one, exist in many, many women. Too many. Dare I even say millions. They may manifest themselves in other women in different ways aside from perfectionism: eating disorders, depression, anxiety attacks, panic attacks, insomnia, "food issues", distorted body image, etc...Or, they may have all of the imaginable above. It just depends.
As Martin puts it, there's a "starving daughter" in far too many of us; the starving daughter that constantly, unforgivably, reminds us that we're not perfect:
"[We] are full of self doubt. We don't want to worry so much about making other people happy but feel like we can never say thank you enough times, never show enough humility, never help enough, never feel enough shame. We feel guilty. we fear conflict. We are dramatic, sensitive, injured easily. we are clinging to all kinds of attachments that , in our minds, we know we should let go of, but in our bodies, we feel incapable of relinquishing. We are self-pitying, sad, even depressed. We are tired of trying so hard all the time."
Does this hit uncomfortably home for anyone else?
Maybe my views on feminism and women are warped. Maybe I think I am more like other women than I really am. Maybe I am just in line with the fucked up few who feel like this, or partly like this...
But I highly doubt that I am. THIS is what is wrong with our society, and with the brilliant, talented, beautiful young women who EVERY DAY tell themselves that they aren't beautiful enough. Smart enough. Thin enough. Or perfect enough to be worthy for your love, praise, and attention.
The Guardian ran a piece a couple months ago called "We've never had it so good" where Louise Carpenter talked the women of today who are "unburdened by responsibility" and "are experiencing true economic, emotional and sexual freedom". Though she admits her research was "hardly scientific, nor was it socially or economically comprehensive, since I concentrated mainly on women with degrees" she quickly dismisses the impact that has on her findings: "nevertheless it revealed something quite startling".
The only thing I felt was "startling" about her findings were the women she interviewed that clearly lived in some sort of obscure fucked-up Candy Land.
She interviewed women who are all going to universities, all have between "£500 - £1,000" free spending money a month (because THAT'S so normal) and who clearly haven't slummed it any way shape or form at any point in their lives.
Are these the sort of women who are going to complain about the injustices in our society? Um, no. They're the perfect examples of why we shouldn't complain, and they have all the right answers to prove it:
"Intelligence and humour were considered overall more important than looks. They all articulated the importance of feeling sexy over looking sexy, although they made the connection between the two. All thought the size-zero issue was ridiculous and had only vaguely dieted (although none, interestingly, were above a size 12 and most were a 10). Cosmetic surgery was not seen as a real option although I got the impression 'work' for a few of them might at some stage incorporate Botox."
See? Perfect! Those are the girls who are "too good" to get eating disorders. They know better than that, right? One girl in the interview admitted to needing therapy halfway through college because the pressure go to be too much, but that was easily brushed over with more praise and statistics proving that girl power has prevailed, and that since all these women were doing so well, what's the point of feminism?
The more I read through this article the more the women she was interviewing sounded like the Stepford Girls:
"There's no doubt that there is now more pressure than ever to succeed,' il: 'At school and university, it was no longer enough to simply be academically successful.The twentysomething women I know aren't bothered about old-style feminism. We're not interested in trying to feel "empowered", partly because we see ourselves as equal to men now: we can work, vote, sleep around, all without anyone barely batting an eyelid."
REALLY? You can sleep around without anyone barely batting an eyelid? Who do you know? Where are these people? And what fucking drugs are you on??
I love the "we're not interested in feeling empowered" bit. I wonder why she feels that there is so much pressure on her, and what she does and thinks behind closed doors. Where does that pressure come from? Hmmmm sister? Probably just from yourself. And I wonder what she would say if she was asked if she thought her male counterparts had to work as hard as she did?
"In some ways that's liberating, but at the same time it's as if we've become suffocated by choice: we have nothing to complain about and nothing left to fight for. We don't have to get married to survive, and if we do we can get divorced if it doesn't work out how we hoped. Men now take a substantial share of domestic responsibility and much more of a role in child-rearing. My career choices as a woman starting out on the ladder are endless."
Yup! You're right. Everything is just PERFECT HERE. This girl has it all figured out. I'm just wondering what society it is that she lives in because I think that there are PLENTY of people that would disagree with her.
Oh, but then we have the statistics to show us that SEE? Women are doing so well! Never mind that we're fucking killing ourselves to get there, by god, just look at our dazzling statistics!
33 is the average age for women to get married. Twenty years ago, it was 26.
(Thank god. Marriage rots your brain.)
3x- likelihood of British men to commit suicide, as compared with women.
(Great! We're killing ourselves less! That's swell!)
26 is the average age for women to have children. In 1971 it was 23.
(Thank god. Babies rot your brain. Plus, who has time to have babies? You're too busy BEING PERFECT.)
40% of professional jobs in UK are held by women.
(FORTY??? FORTY PERCENT??? Yeah. That's definitely something TO FUCKING CELEBRATE. Way to look at the glass half full, bitch.)
20% of young women break the government's alcohol limits.
(Well thank god. There's nothing worse than young women drinking more than a pint of cider. They get out. of. control.)
Carpenter closes her article by saying, "The future is bright and it is female. Maybe it is the poor, confused young men we should be worried about."
She's just wrong on so many levels, it hurts me.
Maybe there is a group of delusional women *cough CAITLIN FLANAGAN cough* who wander around pretending that things are swell and we can do whatever we want whilst those other women of the world starve themselves, throw up their food, check themselves in and out of therapy, and continue to feel disgusted with themselves for not being perfect...but I'm sure as fuck not one of them.
And I doubt I'm alone on this one. The political IS the personal. If the US government chipping away at women's right to control their bodies doesn't scare you, it should. If you think the situation of "the blonde girl with big tits and a small IQ getting promoted before you" doesn't exist, think again. Because it sure as fuck does.
Abortion is a real issue. Body image is a real issue. Perfectionism and depression exist, and they don't just happen to weak, broken girls. Rape doesn't just happen in Darfur and in Lifetime movies.
You can continue to hide under your Kate Moss for Topshop dress and pretend it doesn't, and pretend that feminism is unneeded and unwanted, and continue to tell us that we don't have it that bad...
But while you're doing that, we'll continue to rant, and rage, and act, and write, and Bitch and Bust about it until you can't ignore us any more.
I am a young, privileged, white American woman. I am intelligent. I have a loving husband. I have a wonderful home. I have a family that loves me. I am beautiful. I am thin. I have and make my own money. I do what I love for a living...
I have a depressive disorder that I will carry the rest of my life. I have been sexually harassed. I have been emotionally abused. I have been in unhealthy relationships. In my short lifetime, I have made myself throw up food. I have a self-inflicted scar on my left wrist. I have been to therapy, and probably will go again in the future. I have body image issues. I have issues with food.
Because of all this, I know that feminism is important.
I know that from the outside looking in, I shouldn't have a worry in the world. But on the inside looking out, I feel my pain. I can see pain in other women.
And that is why I rage. Because I am beautiful, and I so want to believe that. I have to know that one day I can say that, and mean it. Mean every single letter. And until then, I will fight. And I will continue fighting until I know that every little girl and every young woman and every old woman can say it and mean it too.
If that's not something to fight for, I don't know what is.
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However, I have a minor critique (which may actually be full support) about your final statement in wanting believe in your beauty and fighting for that level of self-recognition in other women. It's the patriarchal system we live in which reduces our value to appearances and whether we conform to a certain standard of the same. I carry a lot of guilt/shame/issues around that, so while I see and personally experience and completely agree with the value of transgressively reinscribing the marker of "beauty" upon oneself, I don't know if it goes far enough.
It's like deconstruction -- the first step is to recognize the binary system which privileges one term/category over the other (their beauty standards versus mine). The second step is to invert that binary (my beauty standards versus theirs), and the third is to move beyond the two categories into a free play of signifiers or an experience/being-ness is that is beyond the need for those interdependent and mutually exclusive categories (everyone is beautiful).
[Here's were I go off on a radical feminist tangent] It's not enough that I value myself in the ways the system (and my internalization of it) has taught me that I lack worth, esteem. I have the privilege of working on my body and image, you know? It's not enough for me, and it's not enough for me to take my differing values up as the basis for my fight. My personal vision, or what looks like freedom and self-actualization to me, is never going to broad enough to encompass the full and varied flowering of the possibility of the feminist project.
I rage because, by whatever marker, I and every women will always be judged short of the mark, inadequate, wrong, dirty, evil, etc, by a system that valorizes and values men only, and seeks ever to maintain their dominance in society. In such a system, the abuse, debasement, rape, othering, estrangement, objectification, commodification, disenfrancisement, oppression, etc, is always permitted because it happens to the category of people deemed inferior by those who wield power with an iron fist through the socialized legitimization of violence.
I want to tear that whole system down. Of course, I don't know how, so I start with the revolution in me :) Which comes back to: you're beautiful. Believe it. Every last syllable.
"33 is the average age to get married; 26 is the average age to have a baby." Sounds like an awful lot of single mothers. Nothing morally wrong with that... but a huge burden for trying to raise a child and a career at the same time. Plus, I suspect a lot of that imbalance is the result of women trying to supplement love - trying to convince themselves that bad relationships are good ones, that a baby will make everything better, or simply believing that a baby will provide them with unconditional love - only to learn that what they really get is unconditional need & responsibility.
As far as the perfectionist issues... I hear ya and I'm right there with you. I am HYPER afraid of disappointing people, of disapproval, of failing, and of rejection. And it constantly amazes me how many people don't see that.
I genuinely feel that I HAVE to be perfect under almost all circumstances. No matter how good something goes (say, this past weekend), my good memories are largely overwhelmed by some minor, passing, thing that I did wrong (talking so loud/high that a friend pointed it out and told me to stop).
Logically, I know I'm not perfect - not close. But, emotionally, if I do something "wrong" - unless I've "pre-okayed" it with myself (it's okay to suck at going upside down on the pole - but only because that will make someone else feel good for not being the worst) - I feel like no one will ever love me again.
So I bitch. And I rant. And I am upset that society has left me F'd up in the head. Sure, it's nothing compared to dealing with Darfur or Iraq or a million other horrible circumstances. But it's still my own personal hell.
Was just reading this again and remembered Sheila Kelley's story about having to cover her arms at a church in Italy, while men walked around in tanks tops, because showing her arms were considered offensive.
And the time she let her 4 yr old run around a public pool topless and got complaints because her 4 YEAR OLD daughter's shirtless body was considered offensive. And her daughter heard and questioned why the boys could be shirtless but she couldn't. (props to Sheila for telling her it was because she was so beautiful that it was just too much for some people to accept).
As long as women's breasts are considered OBSCENE (especially the nipples... oh gawd, the HORROR!!) or too sexual for men to be expected not to rape us... so long as we have to keep them covered at all times lest the world come to a screetching halt... so long as no such restrictions exist for men... we've got a long way to go!!
I'd love to hear your commentary.
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Hey Cate,
Thank you for sharing your passion about feminism.
Also, you give great links!
Feminist women tend to run in my family--back to Canadian Suffrage in the first part of the last century with my mother's mother out fighting the good fight.
I try to keep up with 21st Century feminism as I (we) had high hopes that by now women would have achieved parity with men.
Both socially and economically we have not.
Until that day comes we have no choice but stay in the battle.
:::applause::: Thank you! As a western women, just because we aren't subjected to something so obvious as wearing a burka doesn't mean that we aren't faced with social constraints and that's why I think the burka struck such a chord with us. We understand being held to a standard (unattainable Barbie) and the consequences of when you fall short. You explore those consequences so well above.
I believe it was a quote I read that went something like, "The well trained dog performs even when the trainer is absent." What it meant to me was... I internalized the implied "standard" and guilt or mentally beating myself up is my self imposed punishment when I "don't measure up". I've moved away from this past but it's still with me sometimes, lurking back there. I've come this far, but still have a way to go. It's nice to know I'm not alone in these ideas.
Standing ovation, CupCate. I cannot do justice to what you have put here except to thank you, as one privileged, white, married feminist woman to the next; one imperfectly beautiful, strong woman to the next.
What many of these women at the top miss is that gender discrimination in our society may not involve FGM or forced wardrobes, but it is still present, still invidious, though more covert. As they say, injustice anywhere is an affront to justice everywhere. It warrants fighting and raging and we all deserve to be as free as any man. I refuse to take "good enough" as my bottom line.
I don't think so. They're simply your views. How you see the world -- right now, from where you are, from the circumstances that life finds you in.
My views aren't radically different from yours -- they just have a different texture. I suspect we agree about most things; I suspect we give money to the same organizations. :)
So, in no particular order, here are my views on feminism and women...
A feminist knows that if she can define "feminism" then she is very likely part of the upper middle class Western world. Therefore, by definition, talking about "feminism" is like screaming into an echo chamber -- the same audience, the same sentiments, the same emotion all the way back to Seneca Falls in 1848 (and no doubt earlier!).
So I'm going to talk about a new kind of feminist -- one for the 21st century.
A 21st century feminist doesn't complain about the state of womankind -- she complains about the state of humanity instead.
A 21st century feminist doesn't complain about the institution of marriage -- she complains that the freedom to marry "whoever we want" is still not legal in America (and most other countries).
A 21st century feminist honors the fact that we *have* come a long way -- and she knows that we have so much farther to go.
A 21st century feminist knows that if a woman says she is happy or unhappy, then she is. Even if the feminist can not imagine having the same emotion in the same situation, to not believe another woman -- to not honor the other woman's experience -- is to cause all women harm.
A 21st century feminist knows that we are responsible for creating our present moment. If that present moment is distorted through the lens of the media, through the lens of our peers, or through the lens of our own imaginings then we have to stop and change that lens for ourselves.
A 21st century feminist still seeks equality -- in the classroom, in the bedroom, at the doctor's office, in the courtroom, in the boardroom, and in the streets. And she does so alongside all other minority groups on this vast planet of ours.
A 21st century feminist knows feminism is important -- and ALWAYS will be.
So, yes, that's my take on the topic. Personally, I'm glad you're fierce about feminism and women. It makes the conversation more interesting, and it makes me think harder about what I believe and why.
I think I'll go right another check to NOW, right now! :)
With respect,
poissonpen
We do have a long way to go. When women are denied birth control because the doctor is opposed to it...long way to go. When teenaged girls feel the need to "act dumb and look cute" to attract boys we have a long way to go. When womens pay is much less than a male..long way to go. When a woman has never been the president of the United States- long way to go. and the list goes on.
I don't think those women you referred to are in the norm at all. What they said and how they really feel might be a different story. I for one don't buy it.
i was tearing up by the last paragraph. because you are so damn right. about all of it. every woman and girl i know from the most empowered to the most gaping vagina has this driving need to be perfect--or at least her idea of what perfect should be. i'm no different. i have this idea in my head of the kind of woman i want to be and if i screw up or fall short or if i feel i'm lacking i beat myself up about it. i consider myself to be pretty self-actualized and a pretty hardcore feminist, but i still have depression issues and weight issues (and, lord, do i have food issues) as do most of the women i know. we say that we love ourselves, but we rarely ever really mean it.
i have a condition called Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, one of the side effects of which is high levels of testosterone, which causes abnormal hair growth. so, basically i've had to shave my face like a guy since 9th grade. i've been undergoing laser treatment for the past few years so that i don't really have to shave anymore, but all those years of feeling disgusting and masculine has made me really acutely aware of just how much our femininity is constantly called into question and judged.
there's no denying that we have come a long way as women, but i think that being aware of the gains we've made only more clearly defines how much farther we still have to go. we should be inspired to keep on fighting the good fight instead of just settling for what we've got because it's better than what we had.
i'm glad there are women like you out there helping to lead the charge. so fucking rant on, sister!
I cannot tell you how touched I am that y'all read through this entire thing (I'm a bit long-winded) and that everyone is so supportive. I love it!!! It's such a change from the arguments and unwillingness to listen I get from people "in real life".
PoissonPen:
That is so, so true, and at the same time, the hardest thing to do. Beautifully said!!
Inward Eye:
Absolutely! I so enjoy your blog and your views on things. I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for the critique, because YES, it was supportive. Thank you! :)
LeendaDLL-
You know I adore you. And yes. Nipples are dirty, dirty things. COVER THEM UP.
Rosina Rubylips:
I think you're probably one of my new favorite people of all time. Yes. The depression, food issues....no matter how "smart" we think we are, they're there. And then we feel guilty because we should "know better". Ugh. It's just a vicious cycle...Especially when we beat ourselves up for the "imperfections" that we can't necessarily control or get rid of. Thank you so much for your comment.
Electric Firefly-
I heart you. On such a deep level it's scary. Thank you so much for your constant support. xx
Sher, Zombiebite, Lindajoy, Habit47, Ruthypants, Marsviolet, Sugabelly, Caprica, Ellen, Sage Eyes, Alli....(Anyone I missed!)
Thank you so so much!!!!!
MUAH!
1. Do our perfectionist syndrome issues start with our mothers? Or with our fathers? Can this generation of women (those who have chosen to reproduce) work in their homes with their sons and daughters to make real change happen in the world? I've opted out of reproduction, so will have to find another way to fight. But so much of it starts with what we do as children to meet our parents' approval... how much mess do mothers make when they DON'T alter their baggage and help their daughters to a better future?
2. Context - I've been dieting this year, and have lost 50 pounds so far. I was sick of burying who I am behind a wall of fat that inhibited me every day, and protected me from having to be real. So that's going away.. but the reason I bring it up is to say how differently people treat the now-thinner me. Basically, men are nicer (even when not being sexual), and women are meaner. Strange men now hold the elevator doors for me, that kind of thing. When in my former fat state, I wasn't the fat girl, I was simply invisible, like a tree. Women on the other hand, even in my professional life, are less helpful, less supportive, less likely to include me in things, more likely to challenge me in meetings.. It's been very interesting so far..
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carol smith
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