No Thelma to my Louise...

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I feel so much of this and could write a comment as long as this post. I was lucky enough to find someone who did turn into a real honest-to-goodness best friend, but sadly, we have lived half a country away for ten years now. By my own doing, I moved to a city where I feel truly alone, despite the fact my mother lives here, and I, too, don't have anyone I can just call up and say "let's go", not even my own Iain. It hurts like hell a lot of the time.
I am so sorry, dude. Living far away from people who *get you* is just one of those things about life that I don't freakin' get. You're right - I am extremely lucky to have Iain. Having a partner that you consider a best friend is amazing, and I don't want to discredit the friendship side of our relationship by saying "oh I don't have a best friend". But, there's no denying that female friendships still are needed.

It wouldn't be so damn hard if plane tickets weren't so fucking expensive!!
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This is sooo good. My favorite part about Sex in the City, is the fantasy of all my best girlfriends living in one place, and we can all go and, I dunno, fucking hang out? That hasn't happened since I was 16. Maybe we're not alone in this - maybe that's part of the reason that show is so successful? Maybe when we're all old widows we can move to the South of France, get drunk all day, and knit?
Oh yes, there is definitely a difference with female friends.
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By south of france, you really mean hawaii right?
That's a really good point, dude. Maybe that's why that show is so popular: having a group of friends like that, all in one city? I say impossible.

Moving to the South of France, drinking and knitting sounds fucking perfect. This will be the next step after we have houses next door to each other in Hawaii, and I get a chihuahua that becomes best friends with Rudy.
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There are many women out there who can relate to this, myself included.

I've always wondered why I don't let myself have "best friends". Its like I am afraid of the label because of all that it brings. My last BF was a Jessica too and she was very controlling an close-minded. I think it great that you've met other women all across the world, that though you don't label your friendship with them your bond is much stronger than a "best friends".

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Oh god, an Abercrombie and Fitch shirt in middle school was like THE status symbol. It meant your parents were cool/nuts enough to let you walk into their store with lewd posters on the walls and bought a $30 dollar tshirt for you.

I had a similar experience with a female BFF in middle school, bc I moved away and you know how kids (even adults) are bad at keeping in touch... and I found out the awful news about how she's trying to be popular so she got all skanky with the douches on the football team. I still miss her sometimes.

I didn't have another BFF until college, because in high school, girls are fake as hell! I had such a hard time finding a chick who wasn't concerned about reapplying makeup during every break between classes.
Changa - Thank you :)

Krystal - Yeah, it's the Jessicas and the Controllers of the world that really do fuck up friendships. I agree about not labeling stuff. When you label something, sometimes you end up spending more time trying to make it like it *should* be, rather than enjoying what it is.

Min - OH god. I remember people fixing their makeup in between classes. Ugh. High school is just one of those things that I would really like to forget, for the most part.

Girls are vicious, catty and, of course, bitchy. Maybe that's why finding a best friend and managing to hang on to one is so rare. I'm lucky like that.

This post makes me sad, cause I remember high school, where you switch friends like you change classes, at least once a semester...ha ha.

I hope you find a girlfriend that get's you. Because that's really all it takes. Someone who get's you, understand you, and by God, loves you anyway, or despite your flaws and imperfections.

Thank you, MeeShell! I have found girls that *get me*, they're just all just thousands of miles away from me. It's a shame, but, being so far apart, you really learn to appreciate an email, and the effort each of you puts into keeping in touch. You can't take anything for granted when you're oceans and seas apart.
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This is my favorite post ever.

I had a BFF in elementary school, who was just like your friend Jessica. She would stay here for a week, and then go back to school and tell everyone my dad cheated on my mom, we didn't have nothing good to eat and that we would sleep on the floor [I had bunkbeds so my friends could spend the night there]. I ditched her, because obviously, she wasn't a good person. Then she got herself a new puppet, and she started sex rumors about her [at age 11... isn't that disturbing]. In middle schoolm, my ugly mummy looking new best friend ditched me for some basketball player, who never paid attention to her, and probably ditched her 2 days after they met. And in high school my best friend was a guy. I simply gave out on girls. My two best girlfriends right now, are 2 my college classmates, they make good shopping buddies, and they help me keep my grades up, but still, I don't feel as comfortable being the girly girl I was back then, when no one paid attention to me. So next time I try to be friends with someone I will make sure that he's a guy, and he's gay. So I can have the friendship of a girl without all the backstabbing shit.

I am right there with you, and i feel your need. i have never had too much luck with "girl" friends - i am not competitive, and really could not have cared less about going out to meet guys in my single life, and i, too have been burned by girls who were "best friends". I feel like this kind of statement sets the womens movement back about 50 years, but there is a reason that girls get lumped into the bitchy, competitive category - a lot of girls do have these qualities and cherish these labels, i'm just not one of them.

I do have one very dear girlfriend, who sadly lives on the other side of the country in Philadelphia. She was actually my last "best friend" who was a girl. And we are still very close, but it's hard when, like you say, you can't just call a group of girls to hang with on a lazy sunday, and obviously a country in between us makes it really hard.

I have a lot of guy friends, and my best friend is a guy (who lives in NY - again, other side of the country - damn!). I love having guys as friends, because you keep the catty, competitive, bitch quotent low, but i do dream of having a close circle of girls to hang out with here, because there is something to having a close circle of sistas to bond with.

i do have some girlfriends here, but none that i can truly call up and bitch to, or spontaneously go to lunch with at a moments' notice. the sad part is it really gets harder as you get older - i had a ton of people to call and do things with in philadelphia, the number grew smaller in NY, and in LA, kept about the same level as NY, but in the east bay, it's like a ghost town. people start living their lives and doing their thing, and it's hard to carve out that time to just do nothing but hang with the girls.

i am fortunate to be blessed with an amazing family that i can call or count on at any point of the day or at any point in my life. my mom, dad, brother, and my extended family are such a great support team, and i love them dearly, but they are, you guessed it, on the other side of the country. I envy talking to them and hearing about how they just drop by each other's houses to just shoot the shit or grab something to eat, or plan a get together. this is what i should be able to do here. this is what i am used to.

I have made a conscious effort to make a dinner date with two girlfriends that i have here - we just had one last week, and it was so nice to hang out with the girls. we have set a date for next month as well, so hopefully this trend will last, because i really look forward to it. i am not to the point where i would call these friends and share a cry or a laugh or a hardship, and i wouldn't dream of just dropping by their place without a call or a plan, but maybe some of this will come with time.
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I've been wondering for such a long time if I was alone in this feeling. After high school the people who were my "best friends' all ended up changing and I started to realize that my friendship with them was more a competition than camaraderie. And here I thought friendships were supposed to be full of support and compassion.

All I really want in this world is someone I can sit down and shoot the shit with.

Are we all destined for a life with our true friends far away?

I really hope not. Thank you, Cate, for reminding me that we're not alone on this big spinning rock, even if sometimes it feels like we are.
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When I was little, like in kindergarten and first grade, my best friends were boys. But then I realized I had a massive crush on said best friend, and that complicated everything. He always had girlfriend and was really popular...I on the other hand was not, and for the most part I dealt with it OK and liked other boys. He remained my best GUY friend...until he started dating my nemesis and I couldn't hide my rage and was such an asshole to him he cut me off...

Guy friends are awesome...as long as you don't fall for them.

Even now, I still just get on naturally better with boys. I have some great guy friends, including my partner, who I have such a good time with. But with girls is so much more complicated...and that's why my heart breaks that my girl friends are so fucking far away.

Thank you for such a thoughtful comment!


Thank you for your comment! Yeah, I know what you mean. Gay guys friends are awesome, but I've found the only friends that don't bring a lot of drama into the equation are pets, lol.
Thank you for your sweet comment! You are no where near alone, sister. :)
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wow. i feel so less isolated after that. i really thought i was the only person this happened to. thanks.

and wishing would could have a cuppa.
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wherever it is, I'm in!!
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This is one of those few posts where I read the whole conversation in the comments section as well as the post itself. I can relate to the situation although my experiences with my best friends were not so traumatizing as yours. My ex best friends were not evil, thankfully. Still, I'm still put off by the titles and when the last one started calling me her best friend, I was hesitant to return the sentiment even if it seemed like it was true.

I think what you said above was true - that the label itself can hamper the relationship at times because you focus on what it should be (due to the label being there) rather than enjoying what it is to both of you. I also don't have any friends I can call on in times of need in my area. They are all oceans away, but we hold each other dear. I don't use titles to label us.

It's a mental thing for me because my previous experiences have killed the childhood idea that friends are forever. For a while, I bitched about it in my head how boys are temporary and your girls are forever, while the opposite was true about me. my boyfriend stood strong by me while the girlfriends fell out. It turned what I was taught upside down and I'm still working my way through the stereotype and understanding that that isn't always so.

I also agree on the comment about Sex and the City's popularity. I am a huge fan of the show and I surely see why. I also do realize I am not alone by the abundance of "Where's my SATC girls?!" posts on Craigslist. =)

I've had many girlfriends.

I've had many girlfriends. Some were absolutely amazing, and I just lost touch with them. Some were vicious, mean-spirited bitches who were jealous of me for whatever reason, and they turned on me at some point in my life. It's happened to me many times from when I was a little girl to adulthood. I have two girlfriends right now, whom I love dearly, but they live on the West Coast. One of them was my college roommate; she left college and moved to Seattle. The other one I met a few years ago; she moved to California last year. I cried for a week. I consider myself lucky to have found them. I have never been the type of girl who has a ton of girlfriends. I was the girl in school all the girls ganged up on because I was different, plus I wasn't a vapid moron like they were. I dressed the way I wanted to dress. I did my own thing. Most girls hate that. They hate individuality and intelligence. You're either a clone like they are, or you suck.

I have accepted the fact that I don't have a best friend I call every day and gossip with. I'm okay with that because at the end of the day, I have a loving family, great boyfriend, and two beautiful girlfriends who live 3,000 miles away, but they mean the world to me. I wouldn't trade that in for the world.

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Not so impossible...really really special and rare, but not impossible. Vox brought me together my California best friends. My very best friend I met as my freshman year college roommate and since college we have never lived in the same city. I miss having her near, but despite how long it takes and being even being open to wanting to find new women friends, once you're past 6 years old, it's hard.
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I can totally relate to this. I've always been good at attracting so-called 'best friends' who are so needy and emotionally manipulative that the friendship becomes one-sided. In almost every case I have been the one to pick up the pieces if something goes wrong in their lives, but the favour is rarely, if ever, returned.

The best part is, now I am old enough to recognise these people, and am confident enough in myself to realise I am better off without the friendships that have ended.

And, I think it better to be 'friendless' than waste time on fake, manipulative, insincere users, because at the end of the day, the one's who matter will be there for you come what may.

I don't think we have best friends as we grow up. I think we have a passing parade of friends for different times and places, for the different things that happen in our life, for our changing wants and needs, and I think that is a good thing.
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I would say that my 'best friend' and I still call each other that on the basis that she's my closest female friend and I've known her for 27 years. Having said that, I now consider that I have lots of best friends or, to put it another way, I consider the people I call 'friends' at all to be close and trustworthy.

Eventually you do find yourself being friends with different people for different reasons. During a crisis I can go to Emily, Danielle, Kirsty or Lizzie and know no questions will be asked and they will listen and help. If I want unsentimental advice without the effects of the lingering sense of sisterhood (basically, if I want an arse-kicking), I go to Aaron. Emetic as it sounds, Ashley is also my best friend, and has been since a while before we got together.

It used to bother me, until I realised that it wasn't about having a little Sex & The City troupe, but simply surrounding myself with people who weren't suddenly going to get bored, or stop talking to me for some spurious reason, or use me to get at someone else.

This is timely because Ash has just had a falling out with an old friend of his that, frankly, I think is a scheming, manipulative madam. And though I totally reserve his right to keep his friend if he wants to, I have also pointed out to him that old or new, close or distant, a friend should be someone who treats you with respect.

Sorry - I've gone off on one slightly...
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Welcome to womanhood.
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For what it's worth, I agree with the notion of "best friend" being a bit obsolete. It seems as I've gotten older (and perhaps more set in my ways)...I'm comfortable with it.

You described the old school best friend definition perfectly, I suppose that's why I too am, over it. People throw the term out like breadcrumbs. The first bird that comes and snacks, wins the prize. It seems that people are only truly interested in surface level friendships. Or...they're interested in seasonal friendships, ones that they sink into like a warm bath and then leave when they're feeling fresh and clean again. Such is life.

I'm glad that you have a pool of people within your life (albeit not as physically close as you would prefer) that you can really consider your inner circle. Sometimes of gifts comes to us in some strange ways.

Great post, but I would expect nothing less from you.
I am incredibly lucky to have 2 great friend, one is a 5 hour drive and the other a 5 hour flight. Not close enough for coffee, shopping, or a glass or 2 of wine, but sometimes I wonder...if we did live close by would our friendship be the same. If we were totally involved in the every day stuff of each others lives, the disappointment of my friend having to cancel on me for one reason or the other, even for completely perfect reasons, short of a medical emergency would it begin to bother me? Would I see her number come up on my phone and feel that moment of "oh Jez, I have to call her later" or how do I explain that I just want to lay on the couch with my husband today and watch movies. I don't know, sometimes I just wonder about that....

Heck Yeah.

I'm totally with you on that one.

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I am yet another girl who can sadly relate. The term "Best friend" had lost its meaning for me back in high school too but I couldn't help but still hold onto the sentiment of the term and for a long time, I did until recently. Now, I'm not sure if I could ever call any other girl (as close as we could be) my "best friend".

I find that the reason why that term is so dangerous is because it puts a million morals and values and responsibilities on it that some people can't handle them -- and usually those are the people we expect to be able to handle them and therefore, we are sadly always disappointed. I think what also comes with the term is sometimes those "best friends" will sometimes take advantage of you because they know they can being that they're you're "best friend". it's like, oh, what's this one time of not calling? or flaking out, or etc.. which turns into 10 more times, but in the end, that person still thinks everything will be okay because they're you're best friend after all -- shouldn't we forgive? It's like a neverending cycle. On top of that, sometimes having a best friend can feel you're in a relationship. And sometimes it just feels like an obligation, which it never should.

And I agree about the whole SATC thing, that it's unbelievable for me to believe that four girls could get along all time.. not even as professional actresses could those four women get along for the amount of 6 years they had the show. I don't know though, there are a small few that I know that strictly get along better with girls more than with guys, but I know for myself, that just not something for me.

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DAVIS AND DIABOLICAL WEBSITE PLANNING! THAT'S MEEE.

I so want to move to London. Too bad Boyfriend isn't really down with the idea.
if you have friends all in distant far off places... how do you know if you'd really get along if you were together in person all the time?

I don't really have a best friend.. i have other people who consider me their best friend... I have a good group of girlfriends... some of them i'm closer to than others... and it's not always perfect all the time... but i know they all love each other.